Gingrich Claims Shoe Bomber Was An American Citizen

Regardless of nationality one should be treated the same, thusly the construct of universal ends.

And yes I can understand how he once again put a foot in his mouth.

I do often find myself wondering on what such individuals think of the Unabomber, the DC sniper, or the fundamentalists Christians that burn books and blow up abortion clinics. Does one view a Christian terrorist the same as a Muslim terrorist or does their own ethnocentrism get in the way?

It actually sounds like a good read, you ever read any Ainsky?

Well Saul D. Ainsky ( I hope that last name is spelled right) was a democratic radical back in the day, and he wrote rules for radicals. In it he explained how the organized aspect of Christianity has not only endorsed but enforced and justified slavery, torture, molestation, rape and every other known atrocity known to man all in the name of the current reigning status quo/

lol Damn, I always forget that l, I knew it didn't look right. I just got done reading one of the Marquis De Sade novels and he projects hedonism and at the same time makes some very valid and rational points.

"Well Saul D. Ainsky ( I hope that last name is spelled right) was a democratic radical back in the day, and he wrote rules for radicals."

Yes, and today's libs swear by it.

I don't know *any* liberals who swear by anything Alinsky, but it seems every right-winger has his "rules for radicals" memorized. I wonder why that is?

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Umm if one wishes to label me, they should at least grasp the basic foundations of the words I speak. I am in no way a liberal, democrat, or republican, I am a moralist there is a large difference.

Edward..seriously..did you miss the early part of the 20th century. Here is the death toll that can be ascribed to communists and socialists:

- 6 million Jews killed by Nazis, 26 Million Russians..80Million total deaths WWII in general.

- 20 million by Mao Zedong during the cultural revolution

- 2.5 million killed by Pol Pot

- Lastly..Stalin.. 5 Million (1922-1923), 6 Million (1932-33), 700K (1930s purge), 3.3Mil(1941-1949..forced relocations, starvation)

I haven't even bothered to include Vietnam, Cuba, Korea, Nicaragua, El Salvador...etc, etc..

So, exactly which religious sect even comes close to the above death and suffering count folks!!

I didn't name anyone in particular, but their initials ar HRC, BO, and the list goes on...

That is true alas you did comment on the individuals who happen to Like Alinksy’s work, He is a very rational human being and his works although continental in ideology are only seen as radical due to the effects of cognitive dissonance within a prescribed normative state. Why it matters who likes his work seems of little relevance for I guarantee somewhere in the world there is a republican who likes Nietzsche, or a democrat who likes the philosophy of saint Thomas Aquinas, or a liberal who loves the art of war.

Alf-1619067,

Your normative understanding is quite transparent as is your indoctrinated ignorance. First and for most it must be pointed out that yes Hitler was a Christian as Jarrod pointed out but that he was a nationalist, in fact one of the reasons his political party gained so much influence is due to the brawls and violence against socialists and communists.

Further more one should understand that socialism and communism are economic constructs and not necessarily forms of government. Dictators are individuals with money and power that cannot or will not justify their actions against their people, these forms of government are not socialist or communist s but authoritarian or totalitarian depending on ones perception that used those economic structures.

As you should know and as Jarrod has pointed out the fact is that the followers of the organization known as Christianity has a more blood on its hands then any other system of government known to man.

I agree but the point is still valid, on the other note however, it seems that most things like this are motivated by religion. Alas, I want to state that in Sri Lanka Hindus and Buddhists share holy lands for both religions have the same roots, however, truces have been made and talks gone through because about 60 percent of the nation is Buddhist 15 is Hindu and the rest is divided between Sik, Christian and Muslim.

Newt Gingrich is a liar.

And very creepy.

he certainly epitomizes that clitche "the Christian right is neither", I say

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

the arrogance of so many Americans to this this only pretains to us... all men not just Americans...

maybe it should have said "...that they are endowed by their Passports with certain, politically expedient rights..."

Someone needs to call the crazies out. Jon does a good job doing that.

hardly.

did you watch it?

newt volunteered all this information. stewart asked two very simple questions — obvious, reductive questions that needed to be asked because of the way that newt was making these claims.

newt blamed obama's failures on being a "radical," stewart asked "how," newt compared the shoe bomber to the pants bomber and asserted that the shoe bomber was an american citizen, thus justifying his different treatment.

and after the interview, stewart clarified that newt's claim about reid's citizenship was wrong.

he displayed more journalistic integrity in ten minutes than anyone on msnbc or foxnews can muster over a career.

dont blame stewart for another right-wing intellectual @!$%#up.

ha...ha...ha..ha.ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,boy your funny!!!

Gingrich is a very intelligent and good man....he did a GREAT job at the White House and I would vote for him over Obama any day. He is mature enough to know what is right and wrong for our country....he also wouldn't be spending your grandchildren's children's money like Obama is...or doesn't that matter to you???? because it certainly matters to most of the rest of us in this country. Newt is just looking out for us.

If Gingrich is so intelligent, why did he fight Clinton on every issue? Wasn't it Clinton who turned a budget deficit left from Bush Sr. into a surplus only for Bush Jr. to turn it into a record deficit again? You now blame Obama for spending our grandchildren's money while he deals with the mess left by Bush. Where was Gingrich when Bush Jr. managed to lie to us only to be able to attack Iraq while neglecting the war in Afghanistan? Great job that was!

he did a GREAT job at the White House

HUH??

he did a GREAT job at the White House

Ah, a product of John Engler's efforts to de-fund public schools in Michigan. Newt was Speaker of the House during the Clinton era (1995 to 1999).

Does anyone else hear the twilight zone theme while reading this nuts post?

The difference is that during WWII we were in a clearly defined, declared state of war with Germany. What we have now is a nebulous "War on Terror" in which "enemy combatants" can come from ANY country - ally or foe, with no forseeable end.

Newt's claim later that he was thinking of Jose Padilla, who is an American citizen, was not Mirandized when he was picked up, was held for over three years without charge based on a statement from another prisoner gained from torture and could not be corroborated or otherwise confirmed. The Supreme Court would not allow a secret trial with secret information to arrive at a predetermined verdict. Padilla was then transferred to civilian court where he was group in with other suspects and convicted based on the government's claim of association with those suspects and a matter completely unrelated to the accusations he was picked up for. BTW despite his "enhanced interrogation" while in military custody. Mr. Padilla never provided any information regarding terrorist activities. This is an American citizen folks, it could have been you and if the GOP have there way it still could be. Could you prove that you are not a terrorist? You know what they call a suspect who has not provided intel after being waterboarded 100 times: well trained. Under the system the GOP wants, you are a terrorist until the government says you are not. These are the same people who claim to be for limited government authority. Either the GOP are idiots, or they think we are.

he was wrong because he claimed that one of them was entitled to different rights than the other.

if you'd like to stick with your argument that centuries-old philosophies of legal conduct are suddenly inappropriate, go ahead. but then, the question becomes — why would you have read one terrorist his rights and not another?

it is a fact that reid was mirandized. newt wasnt claiming that mirandizing terrorists is wrong. he was claiming that obama's different treatment of the pants bomber proved that obama was radical. but treating the pants bomber as a criminal was what bush did with reid. so the point is that everything newt said about obama was entirely wrong — his political problems, his ideological problems, etc. — all dependent on newt's lie about these terrorists.

Vince- exactly what would have been different had he not been mirandized?

Should we not have treated his injuries prior to completing an interrogation?

He is providing actionable intel, because he was questioned by people trained to actually get information.

Please provide a single instance where actionable intelligence was garnered from military incarceration, and water-boarding.

the reason the right wants to treat terrorists as enemy combatants is so they can question them without being restricted by the constitution.

They want to torture them, period. This is thuggery at its heart. They are looking to appeal to the basest instincts of people. They sought to make us afraid and then point us to the thing we are suppose to fear and say, "go ahead, make them bleed, you'll feel better."

another thing stewart said to newt last nite was that, as someone who was in nyc on 9/11 and lives a few blocks from the site, he supports a nyc criminal trial.

that was right after newt felt it was ok to speculate about how all ny'ers felt about holding a criminal trial. maybe newt should spend some more time with real americans.